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I have a friend who wants said that most music production
whether using 'hardware' or 'software' does the same thing.
the sound or signal goes into an A to D converter, is run through software (either proprietary as in the case of the giga delay or something equivalent or in a computer), then is converted from D to A
and goes out to the amplifier.
Given this case (and eliminating the discussion about purely analogue effects)
Then what , truly is the difference between a midi pedal like an
FCB 1010 controlling a digital effects device and someone stepping on a proprietary 'stomp box' pedal like my Boss OD 20 distortion unit.
My philosophical question is, isnt' a midi pedal a stomp box pedal?
Let the flames begin.......................lol!!!!!
whether using 'hardware' or 'software' does the same thing.
the sound or signal goes into an A to D converter, is run through software (either proprietary as in the case of the giga delay or something equivalent or in a computer), then is converted from D to A
and goes out to the amplifier.
Given this case (and eliminating the discussion about purely analogue effects)
Then what , truly is the difference between a midi pedal like an
FCB 1010 controlling a digital effects device and someone stepping on a proprietary 'stomp box' pedal like my Boss OD 20 distortion unit.
My philosophical question is, isnt' a midi pedal a stomp box pedal?
Let the flames begin.......................lol!!!!!
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Re: philosophical question
Mon, June 20, 2005 - 2:52 PMIt's all plunger mutes to the brass section. -
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Re: philosophical question
Mon, June 20, 2005 - 8:20 PMlol!!!!
But which plunger mutes: metal or rubber, damnit!!!! -
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Re: philosophical question
Mon, June 20, 2005 - 10:51 PMNot much philosophy to this question, unless you know somebody who proudly claims "I never use stomp box pedals" but they use a footswitch controller for their rack or laptop processor, and you want to say "nyahh nyahh" to them.
I guess if you want to make an exact and exclusive definition of "stomp box", you could, but why? -
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Re: philosophical question
Sat, June 25, 2005 - 2:45 AMAnd anybody who proudly claims they never use stompbox pedals should get the hell outta this tribe at the very least...although they prolly wouldn't be here in the first damn place. -
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Re: philosophical question
Sat, June 25, 2005 - 1:51 PM"to me i think of a stomp box as a self-contained sound manipulation unit. i don't consider a foot switch to be an effect pedal, no more than my power strip that i turn on with my toe. if it controls something in a rack that means it's guts and brains are in the rack."
I feel the same way as Keith on this one.
LDF
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Re: philosophical question
Sat, June 25, 2005 - 2:42 AMOkay, if it's a plunger it's made outta rubber. Anything else was probably made for the express purpose of muting trumpets, etc. When was the last time your toilet was clogged and you reached for a metal plunger?
Though I've heard Eric Johnson only uses the kind that come with a wooden handle.
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Re: philosophical question
Tue, June 21, 2005 - 3:49 PMWell, it's true that with software you can do everything the hardware can do and more, but it takes away the challenge. I've never been able to work well when I can do *anything* - Max/MSP would be a big black hole for me.
Working with hardware pedals, it definitely feels like overcoming the adversity of limitation when I succeed in creating something nice. Also, us pedal pushers are still much more entertaining to watch. -
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Thu, June 23, 2005 - 10:44 PMpedal pushers, weren't those the wierd pants my mom used to wear in the 50's? -
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Re: philosophical question
Fri, June 24, 2005 - 9:00 AMwhen she was wearing pants. HA HA.
to me i think of a stomp box as a self-contained sound manipulation unit. i don't consider a foot switch to be an effect pedal, no more than my power strip that i turn on with my toe. if it controls something in a rack that means it's guts and brains are in the rack. i also don't think of the sustain pedal for my synth as a stomp box.
that's just my two Abe's anyway -
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Re: philosophical question
Thu, August 25, 2005 - 5:01 PMI agree totally.
If the signal's not traveling through the box itself then it's not a stompbox.
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Re: philosophical question
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 1:49 PMthere were rounds about this a while back in the electronic music production tribe...
ultimately... you are using a chain of DSP algorithms... regardless of what type of computer they are implemented on... be it a laptop or a proprietary DSP chip.
of course... using pedals means you are introducing more line noise with each step in the chain. also... as a random reference... I just looked up the specs on a BOSS delay pedal (dd3?) and it only has a frequency response of 40-7khz... not too good in my book. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 32khz sampling rate... or even lower...
as for whether a midi pedal is a stomp box pedal... the fact is that they are both pedals... and they both allow you to modulate a parameter with your foot. analog discussion removed... there is no difference in my mind... -
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Re: philosophical question
Fri, August 26, 2005 - 6:44 PMWell...the first difference that comes to my mind is that when you have a blend control with the dry signal. you're going to notice a flanging/phasing effect caused byt the computer processing. You also get that with rack units, like the MPX1. Stomp boxes, especially analog ones don't often have that issue. is one better than another? I dunno. I kinda like my stomp boxes. MAX does cool stuff too, but to say that "anything you can do, I can do better with my computer" is just kinda...lame.
*air-wank
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Fri, August 26, 2005 - 8:57 PMdigital stompboxes *are* computers... which brings it around to the following issues...
processing algorithm
converter quality/character
controller interface
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Sat, August 27, 2005 - 9:44 AMWell I guess the question is whether a MIDI stompbox IS a computer. The answer is technically "yes". However, most computers tend not to be a dedicated musical instrument or sound processing device.
Yes latency sucks, but as long as there is a conversion, unless its something like a SACD pedal, it's gonna happen. Except for my DD-5, which I love, pretty much all of my stompboxes are analog, so it's really not much of an issue. My Evolver has MIDI and it's a synth, but I also use it for processing, like a pedal, but it's an analog hybrid. Does it have a digital processer onboard and conversion? Yup. Would I call it a computer? No, I love it too much for that. I think it might take it as an insult.
*shrugs
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